Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy have sat down for a face-to-face talk in the opulent halls of a Vatican basilica to discuss a possible ceasefire, after which the US president accused his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, of not wanting to “stop the war”.
The White House described Trump’s meeting with the Ukrainian leader before Pope Francis’s funeral as “very productive”, while Zelenskyy said on X that the talk with the US president was symbolic and had the “potential to become historic, if we achieve joint results”.
It was the first time that Zelenskyy and Trump had met face to face after a frosty February encounter in the White House where Trump and the US vice-president, JD Vance, berated the Ukrainian leader and accused him of ingratitude for US aid.
I mean…I’m sure that factors in…? But I certainly didn’t boil it down to something that simplistic. There are a lot of reasons he can’t admit defeat.
Is it because Russia hasn’t been defeated, maybe?
Didn’t stop them from retreating from Afghanistan did it?
What’s your deal?
Edit: to the downvoters feel free to keep at it 🖕 we know what makes you bootlickers cheer
You said Putin cannot admit defeat for some reason and I asked if the reason he cannot admit defeat is because Russia has not been defeated yet.
Not interested in debating with someone who will likely eventually reveal they think Putin is justified/right. Unless you’re willing to say right here that Russia is an aggressor nation and that the nation, along with its authoritarian leader Putin, is completely in the wrong, I’m not continuing this conversation.
You’re being cute and dancing around with your “just asking questions” nonsense to avoid explicitly saying what you believe. Enough bait, be direct. Say what you want to say or piss off.
Nah, I just wanted to show you and everyone else that you’re an irrational person who is driven by emotional delusions. I’m not going to respond to a petulant demand that I morally align with you under the threat that you’ll take your ball and go home. You can just disengage.
Putin supporter or at best neutral about him then. Got it 👍
I’m guessing they’re fruitlessly trying to use the Socratic method to make you critically examine the wild claims you’re making. Even if a victory for Ukraine were still possible as you say, this in no way means Putin is all but defeated and just hiding it. The Russians are not “banking” on Trump pulling back from Ukraine or the EU being unable to meaningfully contribute - both of those things were fully expected a year ago and we can clearly observe right now. Waging a bloody war of attrition until a more favorable geopolitical situation arrives is precisely the stratagem at play here, and is certainly not what losing looks like.
Y’all get that this isn’t a cartoon, right? Finding out who the “bad guy” is doesn’t mean they’re going to lose. Every single one of these things you wrote can be true about Putin and Russia and it still wouldn’t budge the situation on the ground at all, your condemnation isn’t magic. You can certainly take your ball and leave if you don’t want to talk to people with a different analysis, but you can’t go to Narnia.
that sure was a lot of words to not answer the question. If you’re going to interject on the other dude’s behalf than I expect an answer as well. If not, kindly leave me alone. Thanks.
I’m sorry, I’ll only discuss my true feelings on geopolitics with people who declare for proletarian revolution and call for a protracted people’s war against global Capital along Maoist third-worldist lines.
Fuck outa here, dipshit. Engange or disengage, your call. I couldn’t tell you where the block person button is, never used it in the five years I’ve had this account, but I’m sure you already know. Feel free to crawl back to whatever hugbox you usually inhabit and brag how you karate-chopped a battalion of Putin’s strongest cyborg posters or something.
Oh don’t worry you answered the question just fine. You could’ve done it with like 10% of the words, I don’t know what all that pretentious gibberish was about. But you do you my dude! Don’t let anyone tell you how to communicate 👍