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Then the “yay capitalism” phrase can be applied to any digital product, and not just to this one then

I don’t get how that’s capitalism’s fault though

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And what’s so wrong in this particular case?

My first error was existing

PLEASEEE MAKE IT TO 365 DAYS!!

So the alternative was to not vote and allow an even more insane Zionist to come to power? You’re quite the smart cookie.

“Arrgh that would be communism, so we can’t allow that” - 🤡

Sounds like they haven’t got better things to do if they’re drafting these kinds of bills

How many times are memes of this rhetoric going to be posted and reposted?

Well it was nice conversing as always. Have a good night… Afternoon?

despite clearly holding anti-AES views, you don’t actually shut out any and all evidence.

Thanks, i try my best to always argue in good faith and remain open-minded. Only if that were the spirit many went into discussions with.

I am older than you (unless you went back to school). I see genuine hope in you becoming a Leftist eventually

Yeah you’re older. I’m 19. Although i don’t know about me being a leftist someday haha. Maybe it’s not entirely far-fetched since it was only a couple years ago i held conservative views, but we’ll see.

Further, I am going to go ahead and plug Blowback again

I’ll be sure to check it out!

USian like I am

I’m not American - I’m British and Nigerian. The former i obtained by birth, but we have our own atrocities as well.

I think if you were focused on reaching an understanding, rather than immediately framing me as some entirely unreasonable person that thinks Stalin was a perfect saint free from sin, we would be having much shorter convos.

I’ll try my best in the future.

evidently it seems you think it’s good enough to recommend to others

Wdym by “think it’s good enough to recommend to others”? I haven’t recommended it to anyone i know. Unless you’re talking about that one thread yesterday. In that case, i do plan to finish it as soon as my exams are done

Ok, so we agree in the end other than on the point of whether those 700k+ people were killed or not - at least you seem to think they weren’t.

It’s a stalemate.

Secessionist sentiments in the united states were not nearly as big a thing as they were for soviet republics who faced economic and civic turmoil for decades.

A better comparison would be if after the US civil war, America fell apart entirely. That’s the only reasonable comparison i can accept.

Just 2 comments ago you were saying millions were killed,

Any million number was referring to the greater Stalinist terror not explicitly the purges. That was my mistake (which is a direct result of you arguing me towards tiredness if i might say).

From the Wikipedia article i initially cited on the graves found:

Between 5 August 1937 and 17 November 1938 the scale of killing reached its apogee. In a series of 12 national operations the NKVD executed at least 680,000 men and women. Original source in Russian That is the documented total: the real figure is almost certainly higher. In preparation for mass murder on such a scale the NKVD People’s Commissar Yezhov instructed his subordinates throughout the Soviet Union to identify areas not far from the major urban centres where thousands of bodies could be quickly concealed. This was described by the late Arseny Roginsky. Also in Russian

One of the problems you have that gets in the way of your own understanding is a seemingly permanent wish to take my words in the worst way possible,

I don’t always want to do that, you denying the facts leads me to.

What makes a system capitalist if not markets, private ownership, and wage labor? Self-identification does not determine economic reality.

The revisionism I’m referring to is: Your claim that the Soviet justice system “frequently didn’t actually execute” those sentenced to death is false. Archival NKVD data shows that most of the 700,000 sentenced to death were executed.

Your claim that the purges were primarily about “Trotskyists". The Great Purge targeted high-ranking Party officials, innocent civilians, and the Red Army, NOT just saboteurs. E.g., Stalin purged 80% of his military leadership before WW2. Were all of them traitors?

If Soviet archives themselves acknowledge hundreds of thousands of executions, how is that a “Western lie"? If the KGB’s own documents contradict Stalinist apologists, why should we trust modern revisionists instead?

Why a migraine?

China itself refers to its system as “Socialism with Chinese Characteristics,” indicating that they acknowledge capitalist mechanisms within their socialist framework. I didn’t say China is capitalist (although it is technically correct to say that at present China is state-capitalist with hopes of transitioning to full on socialism), I only said Deng introduced capitalist elements to offset economic downturn which, if i may remind you, resulted in the quadrupling of China’s GDP. Calling it market socialism is a matter of nomenclature alone.

You’re still making revisionist claims in your analysis of Soviet history, but i don’t even know if i have the strength to go on as it’s just back and forth.