non-binary wouldn’t fit in either existing category. The real move here would be to eliminate gendered categories since this isn’t even a sport and no gender has any distinct advantage.
Yeah I’d have to say I’m in the “we need to keep the categories” camp but I admit I don’t know how we would properly acknowledge bi or non-gendered or anyone between or betwixt.
And we should have a way because there is no reason someone like Bella (love them btw) won’t give an award winning performance as a bi-sexual or something and then wtf do we do.
If Hollywood considered them equal, they would be paid the same as men for similar roles. While that can happen, it’s still the exception. And usually only happens for women who’ve won awards.
When Hollywood stops basing pay on gender, then we can get rid of the gendered awards.
They each have an individual value in the industry. Like if the rock is acting alongside Jennifer Aniston then the rock is obviously going to be paid more.
The current system is less than ideal, but at least with gendered awards, women have a shot at getting awards which translates into bigger future paychecks. What you’re proposing is that the same industry that currently ignores equal pay for women is somehow going to recognize them in a category against the men who are already getting paid more than them?!
But not if they still pay the woman less no matter how many awards she gets. How does it translate? How do you feel about men making way less in the adult film industry? Would men winning more awards change anything?
There’s at least one study showing men get an 81% increase in money after a big award win, whereas woman get much, much less but usually something more and greater creative control of which projects they do. If they’re all lumped in the same category, men continue to win the awards and get pay bumps and women get nothing at all.
Not going to bother with an opinion on the adult film industry as that’s ostensibly a similar business but has hugely different economics. Not sure it’s really relevant to this discussion as generally, female performers in adult films go through much more difficulties than their male counterparts - they’re literally not doing the same job, whereas in the mainstream film industry they are.
I think they were trying to call out that women are still underrepresented in a lot of different ways. Removing gendered based awards reduces the opportunities for women to be recognized, if you believe they are underrepresented.
Its not an opportunity for them to be recognized, it’s an opportunity for them to be belittled. Like “oh you’re totally the best woman actor, congratulations! Maybe one day you’ll be as good as the men!”
The real move here is probably to allow the Nominee to select the category that they think best suits them.
non-binary wouldn’t fit in either existing category. The real move here would be to eliminate gendered categories since this isn’t even a sport and no gender has any distinct advantage.
While I agree in theory the problem in practice due to industry bias and sexism is basically only men will win
And again, this doesn’t solve that problem.
It solves the problem of Women not being recognised for their work.
No it doesn’t. There’s a giant asterisk on every award that they’re given. It’s degrading.
Yeah I’d have to say I’m in the “we need to keep the categories” camp but I admit I don’t know how we would properly acknowledge bi or non-gendered or anyone between or betwixt.
And we should have a way because there is no reason someone like Bella (love them btw) won’t give an award winning performance as a bi-sexual or something and then wtf do we do.
I don’t know the answer.
“Women don’t exist and don’t need recognition”
Women exist and are equal to men in artistic spheres. There is no reason they can’t compete for the same award.
The need for separate recognition of men and women implies separate standards for men and women.
If Hollywood considered them equal, they would be paid the same as men for similar roles. While that can happen, it’s still the exception. And usually only happens for women who’ve won awards.
When Hollywood stops basing pay on gender, then we can get rid of the gendered awards.
No actor is paid the same as any other actor wyd?
They each have an individual value in the industry. Like if the rock is acting alongside Jennifer Aniston then the rock is obviously going to be paid more.
Dude you can’t write that and forget the /s
And having separate categories solves that how? You’re just perpetuating the very thing you’re declaring is a problem.
The current system is less than ideal, but at least with gendered awards, women have a shot at getting awards which translates into bigger future paychecks. What you’re proposing is that the same industry that currently ignores equal pay for women is somehow going to recognize them in a category against the men who are already getting paid more than them?!
This doesn’t solve equal pay, it just perpetuates the misogynist notion that women aren’t good enough to compete with men.
But not if they still pay the woman less no matter how many awards she gets. How does it translate? How do you feel about men making way less in the adult film industry? Would men winning more awards change anything?
There’s at least one study showing men get an 81% increase in money after a big award win, whereas woman get much, much less but usually something more and greater creative control of which projects they do. If they’re all lumped in the same category, men continue to win the awards and get pay bumps and women get nothing at all.
Not going to bother with an opinion on the adult film industry as that’s ostensibly a similar business but has hugely different economics. Not sure it’s really relevant to this discussion as generally, female performers in adult films go through much more difficulties than their male counterparts - they’re literally not doing the same job, whereas in the mainstream film industry they are.
Let me guess, you are against affirmative action as well.
That’s a bad guess.
Are you telling me there isn’t major sexism in Hollywood?
Please don’t reply to me with your misogyny.
I think they were trying to call out that women are still underrepresented in a lot of different ways. Removing gendered based awards reduces the opportunities for women to be recognized, if you believe they are underrepresented.
Its not an opportunity for them to be recognized, it’s an opportunity for them to be belittled. Like “oh you’re totally the best woman actor, congratulations! Maybe one day you’ll be as good as the men!”
That’s true as well. They could also create more categories I suppose.
They should have a category for Best Chris
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