AOC is a clear choice, I’d say Bernie but I’m already tired of old people in power.
AOC is young, in touch with actual issues, in touch with the generations that are moving the economy, knows the struggle since she used to be a waitress and so far I haven’t seen her go crazy on anyone else’s agenda or buying stocks and enriching herself beyond measure like damn old hag Pelosi.
DNC will throw the election before putting a progressive into the race
Y’all know there’s still house and some Senate elections coming up next year right?
You know what would show America and the Democrats (and Republicans for that matter) that Americans are finally serious about a 3rd party candidate? Supporting and electing 3rd party candidates in the House and Senate.
Ok, I try to be polite, and I generally agree you don’t win arguments by saying shitty things, but whoever downvoted this is either a bad actor or has rocks for brains. I’m sorry to be so crass, but it needed to be said.
If only there were elections being held between 2025 and 2028 with less at stake than a presidential election. That way Americans on the left and right could come together and prove to the establishment parties that they would actually show up to vote for a 3rd party candidate for a presidential election.
It would be such a shame if angry Americans used this information to get involved in local politics and promoted ethical candidates who weren’t purchased by a corporation ASAP
I love the hate the DNC gets now. I’m also confused how the DNC’s mandate isnt to be entirely apolticial.
This is why the primary will be so important, and why Biden basically handed the win to Trump by pushing Harris instead of having a primary.
Did you listen to the latest tiff between David Hogg and James Carville?
Carville really wants to push progressives out of the Democratic party while keeping their heads in the sand. I think his last rant was because Hogg wants to replace existing Dems (Carville says he should be replacing Republicans). However, I think Hogg wants to do this because these Dems aren’t really doing anything and waiting to pick up the pieces from this Trump administration. I think agree more with Hogg that it’s more important to show the people that you represent them rather than be like: “we’re not the Republicans”.
I’m not an entire fan of Hogg though, he seems a bit inconsistent but I agree with him here.
To be clear, people should have voted for the Democrats. We’re all in the position we’re in because not enough people did. Would you get what you want? No. But we still wouldn’t be in the mess otherwise. I mean, assuming the election wasn’t stolen.
That being said, all these older people that don’t seem interested in fighting for their people need to be purged from the Democrats. I don’t know if it’s because they’re really old or out of touch or what. There’s a thirst for people to want representation for them to fight (as seen by the AOC and Bernie rallies). I think their inactivity isn’t helping for the most part. Also, they need to get some more names out there.
Yeah, I’ve been low-key following this drama and Hogg is out there spearheading the “tea party style takeover” that people have been saying the DNC needs. Carville, Schumer, and Co. seem to think that letting the republicans off the leash to blow up everything and hurt everyone is the best path forward. Put another way, the plan is to continue offering shitty corpocentrism and hope that voters prefer corpocentrism (clothed fascism) over naked fascism again in two and four years. Fuck that and fuck them, Hogg can take my energy and blast those fossilized assholes with a spirit bomb.
Hogg wants to replace old, “do nothing” incumbents with younger versions of Pelosi, Clinton, Jeffries.
Hogg wants young, centrist, corporatist Democrats, not progressives.
Because they win elections in purple districts. Try running AOC in North Carolina.
It’s because the democrats simply cannot fund-raise on the kind of populist progressive policy Americans actually want.
Democrats are up schitt’s creek without a paddle - they can’t fund-raise without the support of the large donor-class, and their increasingly populist progressive base are simply not satisfied by the kind of economic policies those donors are desperate to preserve.
If democrats stay this course they will never hold more than 45% of congress again and only win the white house maybe once every 3 or 4 terms.
If democrats stay this course they will never hold more than 45% of congress again and only win the white house maybe once every 3 or 4 terms.
Yeah I’m feeling that.
You bring up really good points. How do you go to the large donors and say, “give us more money to help take more money from you”.
I’m greedy. I want the live in a clean and safe society. Empirical data exists that shows one way to achieve this is the Scandinavian model; high tax funding social services.
At least, that’s how I dress it up.
I’ve brought it up on other Lemmy comments, but one thing I really want to work on with messaging is “Eat the rich”.
Case in point: Elon Musk is evil. He’s a toe-sucking narcissist who can’t stand that South Africa ended apartheid. He’s a loser that can’t beat the first Path of Exile boss. He’s…make up your own insult, and I’ll likely echo it. But what I can’t stand is commenters saying that anyone and everyone possessing as much money as him is equally evil. Basically the equivalent of so many school “Zero tolerance” policies.
Musk is evil for his actions, not just for personality. Yes, a large number of rich people are also evil - there’s logic behind that venn intersection. But capitalism is our system, even if we decide we want to start changing it. Past the big names of horrible people that have lobbied the system for their own interests, many rich people are just…quiet outside of their main successful ventures. One very ready playbook of the far right is to point out how many Democrats - even honest ones that have made excellent changes - are evil simply for having net worth in the millions. As long as “Eat the rich” is a popular slogan, it tends to work, and convince donors that progressives are out to hunt them down with axes.
My take on a better message would be: We all want a better world. Have you ever wandered the streets of venice, wishing you could have that nice communal feel back in America - unburdened by homeless people, dirty streets, or traffic? This is our goal. House the homeless. Clean the streets, and encourage recycling. Put people on public transit. Progressives will tax you more to make that work, but will make a better world for it; one where people don’t need to hire private security to protect from betrayed employees, or shelter in an SUV to go two blocks. If you’re a businessman, vote Republican. If you’re an honest businessman, vote Democrat.
The message could use some work, but perhaps you get the idea.
But what I can’t stand is commenters saying that anyone and everyone possessing as much money as him is equally evil. Basically the equivalent of so many school “Zero tolerance” policies.
The existence of billionaires while millions of people are starving and homeless is the evil those commenters are pointing to.
Almost as if those people are upset about a system that valorizes and encourages immense wealth inequality, and not, like, which people get to be billionaires.
But what I can’t stand is commenters saying that anyone and everyone possessing as much money as him is equally evil.
There is no ethical way of acquiring a billion dollars. Get on board with that concept.
That doesn’t mean their evilness is *equal", but it does mean they are all evil. Even popular rich people like Warren Buffett, Gabe Newell, or Taylor Swift are evil for conducting the kind of systematic exploitation necessary to acquire a billion dollars worth of financial assets from consumers and workers.
We need confiscatory top-tier income taxes. We need securities taxes to drive the ultra-rich to pull their wealth out of financial assets. We don’t need to restrict them from acquiring products and services produced by workers: their mansions and yachts and private jets are not the problem. Those purchases all paid worker salaries.
The problem is their portfolio, not their stuff: every item in those portfolios is designed to siphon consumer dollars away from workers. We can, and should, claw back against such excessive exploitation .
All the career federal employees that have lost their jobs because of Musk numbers in the thousands. Their knowledge, skills and experience with federal programs just wiped out because of that freak. The true cost of this is just beginning. Nothing is going to work soon.
Gavin Newsom may sound smart, but he’s got his hands in your pockets stealing your money to feed the rich, kinda like the current emperor in chief.
Can we do ranked choice primaries?
Yes, let’s get preemptively angry at those not currently in power for something we assume they’ll do!
If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we’re fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.
I’m a progressive, but also a pragmatist and a realist, and I find these kind of complaints unhelpful and naive. Politics is a blood sport and it always has been. No one is going to hand AOC the reins of power. She has to win them, and her opponents aren’t going to play fair. This is, sadly, how the game is played. Don’t mourn. Organize!
If you don’t like trump and you didn’t vote, then you’re to blame.
My country has compulsory voting so nobody has an excuse
Is you didn’t vote for Harris, you’re to blame.
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No, it’s the Republicans who are to blame. The Democratic leadership is to blame for not putting up a candidate or policies that the voters wanted.
It’s always amazing to me that people will blame the people who couldn’t stomach to vote for the Democrats, rather than getting mad at the Democratic leadership for being so awful that people can’t stomach to vote for them.
True! One is an ocean of random people with their own beliefs, reasons and personal choices. The other is an institution. An organization with a plan. A plan they wrote themselves. A plan they get detailed statistics and polling data on. A plan in which they saw what they needed to do to win and chose not to, effectively betting on anti trump sentiment to keep them from doing the thing parties in their position are supposed to do. Concede to the people and make concessions. Instead they said “status quo, steady as she goes” mid genocide, mid rent crisis, post covid and they lost that bet. No one is to blame other than the gamblers who played power politics and lost to fascists.
The people are not an organized voting block able to strategically maneuver their votes. That’s what a party is for. That’s it’s whole purpose. And the Democrats failed as a party in that election due to their inability to stop committing a genocide, to stop pandering to mid right voters via radio silence on trans issues and active abandonment of immigrants via the adoption of 2016 trump immigration policy.
I mean come the fuck on, she was talking about FINISHING THE FUCKING WALL, the thing we all agreed was the dumbest thing ever. What do you want when the party runs someone like that?
I get you people who wanna blame the leftist in your life or on the Internet you saw saying they wouldn’t be voting. I get that you blame them. But you should blame the party who thought they could win without conceding anything whatsoever to any of the marginalized groups who had no other choice. They learned that there in fact was a 3rd choice and now we all suffer the Democrats incompetence
Yeah I agree. I see a lot of folks out here victim blaming rather than critiquing the folks with the most power.
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If my country had compulsory voting and my choices were trump and harris I would have voted for mickey mouse. Or do they send somebody in with you to vote for an approved candidate? Because that doesn’t sound like anyplace I’d be interested in living
If my country had compulsory voting and my choices were trump and harris I would have voted for mickey mouse.
A stunning example of exactly the kind of performative pro-genocide bullshit that put us in this mess. Wonderful.
You’re taking to a foreigner, the election’s long over, and you never helped the Democrat’s cause with your edge-lord ass comments.
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No, the Republicans putting up a shitty, awful, terrible candidate that was somehow more likeable than the Democrat’s shitty, awful, terrible candidate, who came in on the coattails of another shitty, awful, terrible candidate was what put us into this mess.
I’ll never accept the claim that Trump was more likable than anyone; no matter how many Take That critiques people can sling about anyone on the Democratic party.
I don’t think he was more likeable, but enough people did that they voted him into office. It doesn’t really matter whether you accept that or not.
Where are you from? How it works where I’m from, is that you’re required to go vote. What you fill out on the paper is no one’s business.
Just put in a blank paper. Turn up because it’s your duty by being a citizen. We live in a society, not as individuals. People who want to live in isolation and not affect anyone else are welcome to fuck off to the middle of the ocean for all I care.
Compulsory voting retains majority of Australians’ support, because it makes voter suppression incredibly difficult.
It’s SOOOO easy to vote here it’s not even funny. We can partially thank compulsory voting for keeping it that way.
If they tried to make voting harder, everyone would be pissed off, since they’re required to vote. Good luck getting such a reform to stick…
Unlike in some certain countries where apparently you’re not allowed to give water out to voters in certain states.
Wild. Dumb. Much freedom to not vote 👌
Compulsory voting is great. We love it (well, most of us think it’s a good thing. I love it, personally)
I didn’t vote, and it doesn’t matter that I didn’t vote.
There are mass counties that had 0 Harris Votes and all DT. This is a statistical impossibility. On top of the already impossible results we’ve seen with the election anomaly all point together at obvious voting fraud. The election didn’t happen as you think it happened, it happened because billionaires conspired together to put a lunatic at the helm.
Hope you’re enjoying the current democratic backsliding the USA is experiencing. It’s partially your fault for letting it happen.
Of course they will. Liberalism is a center-right ideology, they’re closer to fascists than leftists.
It’s just a way to get minorities to vote for you.
Their good old performative “Fight for Equality” which very pointedly ignores Wealth Inequality and Wealth Discrimination which curiously, are not only the biggest of them all by a huge margin, but are even the mechanisms that multiply many-fold the negative consequences (and hence the hurt) from other kinds of inequality and discrimination, AND stop the descendants of the victims of past discrimination from pulling themselves out from the hole past discrimination threw their ancestors into (in simple terms: if you were thrown into poverty by discrimination, the poverty keeps the hurt going even after the discriminatory actions have stopped and will make it very likely your descendants are stuck there and keep on suffering).
They’re literaly doing the very minimum (when measured by actual effects) they can for Equality whilst claiming they’re “Fighting for Equality” as loud as they can, in order to claim they’re “helping the disfavored” and hence are there for the many not the few.
As time goes on, I think it’s less and less strange our dominant conservative party is called the “Liberal” Party of Australia.
They practically the same party as the democrats. So I guess the name makes sense.
The US is so far right it hurts and Australia is not even that left wing these days.
The only thing I’m proud of is that our media is practically 100% right-wing/corporate interest captured, and we STILL manage to elect left of centre governments from time to time.
Preferential voting is something very near and dear to my heart.
so you’ll campaign against them for one reason or another and help trump to a historic third term?
Sadly, you are correct. Neither Kamala nor Gavin can win. But I’d prefer Kamala to Gavin, which is how bad Gavin is.
Democrats would rather lose their power “temporarily” than lose their influence permanently with a progressive.
We need a third party like four months ago. We are running out of time to challenge the standing democrats.
We already have multiple.
inb4 Russia: liberals will say that about any new party, too
First past the post can only be beaten if you manage to swell enough support for a third party to be viable and not split your vote. And because of maths, this is a huge obstacle to overcome.
Some back seat democracy for ya (I am not from the US, from Australia): you need to hammer on about voting reform, and mostly voting reform, until you have it. This needs to be the number one issue in everyone’s minds until you have it.
“We need to beat Trump” is a band-aid at best, and is unlikely to win over any conservative voters to your cause (and, you will need them to get a third party to have any chance, in my opinion).
Your system is beyond repair without it (in my opinion).
Y’all need preferential voting, and/or proportional representation. Or whatever change means future reform is possible.
You already have multiple parties, who each stand no chance against the spoiler effect without a massive campaign to get democratic voters (and maybe some Republican voters) to switch to it.
Anything short of that means you’ll get another Republican government.
And at this rate, this means your barely-counts-as-a-democracy will be dead.
Just here to point out that the 3rd party candidate with the most votes was Jill Stein with a whopping half of a single percent of the total votes cast.
There is no viable 3rd party. And there won’t be until they start working to get elected at the local/state level and start getting members in Congress.
We need a third party like four months ago.
Then tell one to do the back-breaking work over decades to start having members in Congress so they have a shot at winning a presidential election.
There isn’t some cheat code for a 3rd party candidate to become president.
This is so often overlooked. A 3rd party could win EVERY SINGLE AVAILABLE SEAT in a presidential election year and they would still only control the executive - Congress and the judiciary would still have a supermajority of not-thems, and you couldn’t change that in one term, or even two. Not to mention every governor, state legislature, county board…
You’re missing the magical thinking of people thinking Rachele Fruit can get another eighty million votes next election cycle and the democrats and republicans will hug and start voting her laws in.
Let’s make it happen through joining the Equal Vote Coalition, we can enable third parties to have a greater chance at winning this way.
Help start a ballot initiative in your state here.
