Then we come back to the problem that no one cares. Insults are what gets peoples attention. Look, everyone was being nice about all the fascists in the US and now there is killing. So go us!

No it is very possible, fascists directly and indirectly kill a lot of people. Sure they can also call me fat but I can just say at least I don’t end up killing a bunch of innocent people. See, easy!

Good entirely depends on your perspective.

Yes, by definition. What is your point? We all agree murder is bad so we put people who disagree with that in jail.

Conservatives also use violence to create what they perceive as good outcomes.

Not just Conservatives, everyone does this. Any society with laws will need to use violence to enforce those laws.

Ridiculing differences is a step into the dark side that shouldn’t be made.

Can you be more specific? If I make fun of a fat fascist today, how does this result in me become a fascist or a fascist state arise?

What’s the difference to conservatives if violence becomes a means to an end?

I think you should look into basic political theory. Violence is always a means to an end. If cops show up to send you to jail and you say “no I am not going”, they aren’t just going to stand there until you agree to come with them. They will use violence. It’s how all states enforce their laws.

The difference is using violence to create good outcomes vs bad outcomes. Conservatives will use violence to send brown people El Salvador. The outcome of this is creating a white ethnostate. This is bad for not only the brown people (obviously), but also for the white people as diversity is healthy and increases quality of life. Leftists would use violence to shrink the income inequality witch would improve many peoples lives. All this to say, good things and good and bad things are bad.

If it is ok to ridicule micropenisses, how should people with other disabilities or minorities in general feel safe? Making fun of body issues destroys the left idea of inclusion.

To be 100% clear it’s only ok to ridicule micropenisses if the person you are ridiculing is a fascist. I am not saying you can drop this on anyone.

I don’t like it that innocent people will catch strays because some people will see this as an excuse. I would rather not do harm. But we don’t start waking people up that the USA is turning fascist these people will have a lot more safety concerns than lacking body positivity.

Would you rather they have low self esteem or be sent to El Salvador or worse, executed for being different?

Also, I will happily feel unsafe as a fat person if it means I safe a couple of lives. Given what a fascist US could do I might saves 100s.

Yes, I agree it isn’t respectful. It does not turn people into racists or conservatives though.

You know you can just stop making fun of people after making fun of them for having a micro penis. That is a thing you can do.

It doesn’t justify anything. It’s a means to an end.

This took me a long time to figure out so I’m very sympathetic.

One way political people bring attention to bad politics is to body shame. The intent is to bring energy to the shaming. This is to wake up all the non-political people by being funny or hateful. These emotions travel farther than just facts.

The side effect is that some people walk away thinking the body shaming is the point. It isn’t.

It sucks that the facts aren’t enough, but that is the world we live in.

So it’s not that micropenises are bad. It’s that Trump is bad and it is the common thought that micro penises are bad or funny or inadequate. Just because it’s common thought though doesn’t mean it’s true.

I don’t disagree with that. Why leave that to the market which doesn’t optimize for anything other than more money and whos actions are opaque? Happy, healthy, and productive societies cost money, money that can be spent elsewhere. Slavery is efficient and profitable.

If some organization is going to have the power to make or break me, I want them to be transparent and democratic. Not a rich person who has never worked in their life trying to make more money using whatever means they can get away with.

What? Yes, the environment can tell because there would be less pollution. The motivations are different. Do you think worker controlled industries would use the same tactics to over produce and polute the areas the workers live in? No one would benefit from that.

I’m not saying we would reach zero pollution but there would be a lot less pollution.

I have no problem with running water and electricity, most reasonable socialist would agree.

American healthcare is capitalist. It’s insurance companies and for profit hospitals. That’s why it’s bad. Healthcare is an inelastic demand.

China isn’t a Democratic State. I’m not arguing that just having one guy handling all the economic planning is a good idea.

There’s a difference between industrialization for people and trade versus industrialization for money and power. One helps everyone, The other only helps capitalists.

I wouldn’t necessarily look at China and USSR and say they are a good alternative. I prefer a more democratic socialism. My problem with capitalism is specifically the lack of choice of the people. We spend 8 out of 12 hours on average working for a company that we don’t get a vote in.

Yeah, so we take AI out of companies who only want to make money even if it hurts people and give it to a democratic elected government which will use it to help people or they will be voted out

We can choose a less shitty power structure if we want.

So we can have solar and nuclear oligarchs instead of oil oligarchs. Yeah, that would be slightly better

How old are you? Did you go through COVID? Capitalism doesn’t do disasters well at all. Every cost is minimized. So emergency supplies go unmaintained. If it doesn’t help the stock price annually it doesn’t get done.

Industrialization to make money is encouraged by capitalism. Why do you think big oil was lying about global warming? It’s not a few bad apples it is a systemic drive to make more money even if it hurts people or the planet.

Oh, we can use it. We can use it to replace your job and make our boss more money. We just think that is bad.

Yes, but AI porn, which is really bad, is actually a small problem compared to the other uses of AI under capitalism.

Yes. I wonder what the outcomes of centering the soldiers gult is?

Do we want the solution to be that soldiers have to consider every order given within the historical context of the time to decide the morally correct actions and do them even if it means court martial or death?

Don’t get me wrong. I’m okay for soldiers to do this in extreme examples. But I don’t think this should be the norm.

I think we should shift the focus to the leaders instead of the soldiers. They are better positioned to make these decisions and have the time to do so.

And it’s their job.

Be that as it may, the left is not going to do well if the prerequisite to having discussions is to read a bunch of literature. I think we need to find a way to make our tent bigger.

Thank you for your reply.

Why? Information is information. Why does it matter if it comes from books or videos?