The point is that it’s a class war. It always has been. It’s not about “socialism vs capitalism”…

I really think you should maybe watch some youtube essays on Marxism and what it means, I think you might like the things you learn from it.

Amazing! (commenting so there aren’t 88 comments 😤)

That’s fair, I know there is like communities or something, but they seem a bit janky. It’s definitely not “there”, but it’s better than some of it’s reputation suggests.

I remember setting up persistent rooms with jitsi that function like discord rooms, I guess not native, but it was from a plugin that was near native. There was also a feature I remember them mentioning for drop in video calls, but I haven’t tried those.

I won’t argue it’s a full replacement, I think you still can’t do push to talk or toggle mute, which is pretty disqualifying for me. But it’s definitely closer than Telegram or Lemmy.

Element does have voice/video channels.

We very certainly have moved to a new era of disregard for the law, but in service of understanding how we got here and where the system built power in hopes of breaking it, laws have always been suggestions. The 13th goes into this well, at every step when given leniency the judicial system has been abused to enact more violence and control over people of color. The enforcers are held to minimal standards, and seldom held accountable when they somehow fail to clear the bar in hell.

We need to be honest with ourselves about what this country was and how long it’s been unjust.

You have a strange definition of perfection.

Sorry I am not hip to the most recent lingo of the circles that call women females.

You need to sit down and learn

pretty pro-female

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Cute, but maybe the classist stuff isn’t actually a clever tool.

You know why they’re called red necks?

Democrats better not put forward candidates people are apathetic about then.

I mean there is the difficult but not acquiescent solution, that coincidentally carries parallels to the real world, of unionizing your work place and using the power of collective bargaining to demand better conditions. This is hard work and takes time and effort, but instead of recognizing that and trying to help, people check out. And those pushing for it are called unrealistic tools of the bad manager and that we demand perfection, while every year the ‘lesser evil’ manager gets a bit more touchy with his subordinates.

Further in the real world analog of this, the ‘lesser evil’ manager is bombing children, and driving us towards climate catastrophe. Yes democratic politicians are better then republican ones, but that doesn’t negate the point of the meme. They do not give a fuck about you, and they will drive us off the climate cliff, they will bomb more children, they will give more tools to the police state, and they will hire more ICE agents. With such stakes we need to do the hard thing and demand better.

Here is a summary from Yale reflecting the outlines of THE 13TH FIVE-YEAR PLAN FOR ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA, and Outline of the People’s Republic of China 14th Five-Year Plan for National Economic and Social Development and Long-Range Objectives for 2035.

I’m getting pretty tired of this conversation though if we are at the point of arguing if, the choices of state own energy and public transit companies, following state directives, are not planned.

I disagree, but to the more important point you still seem to dance around the fact that market economies have had decades to align with the incredible wealth of science describing the problems we are facing, and failed to do anything more then gesture at solutions.

Like genuinely, what good is all this ‘efficiency’ if it’s killing us and refusing to change?

They are not responsive and they are not adapting anywhere near what is needed because there is no profit in doing so. China is still largely a market economy, but the centrally planned aspects allow it to push much harder towards a de-carbonized economy compared to the west.

Externalities exist in all systems. Im not sure why you are mentioning them in this case given they are not unique.

I bring them up because they demonstrate my point. Externalities need to be taxed because profit is the only need markets respond to, which was my point.

The reality is markets respond much more rapidly and accurately than planned economies can. This might change if AI becomes a reality but right now planned economies will continue to be less efficient.

Only using a contorted definition of efficiency that favors markets, namely maximizing GDP. It does not speak to the efficiency of throwing away food, cutting up old clothes, letting people die from curable illness, or to reiterate the point, making the only planet we’ve ever seen sustain life unsuitable for us because it’s simply impossible to convince market economies to seek anything other than profit.

Not really and again it isn’t as if environmentalism has been the focus of the Marxist states IRL either. The USSR was devastating to their environment.

Agreed, the USSR was also going through rapid industrialization. The difference is market economies have an absolute global hegemon, and still cannot meaningfully address the reality of climate change because it would effect profits.

Markets find the need of a market and respond to it only when there is profit. It is completely uninterested in other needs, this is why externalities are a problem.

I don’t hold it to the standard of perfect, but markets are simply not effectively dealing with the realities of climate change.

Industrialization is definitely an issue, the larger issue is that with economies exclusively driven by markets, even when every knowledgeable person on the matter is aware of an issue like climate change, markets need to be fought and bent against their very nature to deal with the fact that it’s less profitable to take care of the environment.

Markets respond only to profit changes, and even then they are far from perfect. It’s simply an economist fiction that they are uniquely good at adaptation, one proof being the utter failure of markets to handle the global catastrophe climate change is going to cause.

This is a strawman. Centrally planned does not mean immutable, and markets are no more able to predict the future than anyone else. What it does allow is the disregard of the only quantity markets are capable of maximizing, profit.

You as well!