1. Not all English speakers are from the “west”, since it’s a lingua franca.

2. You literally put in that the only option in developed countries is factory farmed meat, which is also not true. There’s even European countries where the factory farming of the USA isn’t allowed, and plenty of developing countries where it’s encouraged.

3. you imply by saying only developed countries have this option, as if developing countries don’t, and for some reason bring up fucking scavanging as one of developing countries alternatives? Really? You think that lowly of them that just classic old ranching didn’t come to your mind??? The fuck dude. You just pulled a “those kids in Africa” or “the doctor is the male nurse” moment even if you didn’t mean to. You clearly haven’t traveled much.

4. we were talking about chickens not beef.

The ones where of the aphid strays too far from the closed in pack it becomes an instant snack (hey that rhymes).

At least we cook our chickens first (/s)

You vegan? Apparently y’all are fine with meat too according to some:

https://lemmy.world/comment/14777125

The majority of humans don’t scavange meat from already dead animals, even in poorer countries wtf

Soy Salvadoreño y nadie en mi familia ni los vecinos ni el pueblo estaban comiendo animales muertos ni cuando tenían zapatos. Chele morongon, que crees tan bajo de los pobres???

Those ants are farming aphids. They keep them in close quarters. Ants are nature. Ergo the meme

🤣 go to the Lemmy vegan community and say that. I’m sure you’ll easily get 99 upvotes and only a single downvote

Well if the ants can do it, why can’t we?

(Btw, I’m opposed to caged chicken egg cultivation, and even had my own chicken in the past before I couldn’t anymore for eggs. Now I just pay the premium and researched which were the most ethical eggs in the store available. Happy hens make better eggs anyway. I’m just pointing out we’re not the only ones that raise animals for consumption in nature).

No it wasn’t.

Otherwise humans wouldn’t have been smart enough to figure out farming in the first place.

Also humans were already humans when farming was invented. We’re not pokemon.

… Do you mean turn OFF everything at night? Because you do realize that the output of solar power at night, you know, when the solar part is missing, is zero, right???

And wind can’t get anywhere near the difference, even assuming it’s running at 100%. Not to mention many things need to continue running at night. Like hospitals.

And that’s before I even got to the absurdity of tech companies using computational work as a sink. Computational work doing what, exactly? Rendering 3D farting fairies??? And that’s not even getting into how they’re the main cause of increased energy usage recently preventing us from catching up with demands in the first place, mostly because of AI.

And the back up batteries only at sensitive sites - so you just expect people to freeze to death in Winter or during a heatwave? To not eat because they can’t heat anything up? What about comms. Most towers are in places where there’s not enough space for local battery sites. “Mandating rooftop solar” sure, but you’d still also have to “mandate” that it’s free because many weight be able to afford it.

As for the reason I said you should play this games, it’s to make you realize how difficult it would be to run everything purely on solar and wind and without batteries, EVEN WITH future tech and perfect weather with no inhabitants like in Satisfactory. You’ll either need good sources of hydro in every possible spot on the map (at which point, in real life, you’d definitely be altering the environment, + climate change is affecting that too in reality) or a massive battery storage site / so many distributed batteries you’ve accomplished the same thing anyhow. You’ll fucking realize energy demands can be so damn high, the struggle isn’t “what to do with all this power” but “I need more power / need power at night”, constantly, even with magic future solar tech on a planet with a binary system.

You’re clearly both too uninformed AND misinformed to continue this conversation. At best what you do now is help the fossil fuel industry with how ignorant you are - at worst you’re a troll willingly doing so.

Demisexuals do have sexual attraction though.

It’s just they don’t really want to have sex with someone unless they first have an emotional bond (and since it’s a spectrum, some literally don’t find a person sexy at all until there’s an emotional bond).

A lot of people don’t have that limitation though - it’s not a goal or anything, they just also get sexual urges with hot people and therefore want to have sex.

Those people usually are up for / have one night stands for example, because they don’t really need any emotional connection to want to have sex.

Word of the day (because I suspect many humans don’t realize they fall into this category):

Demisexual

Yes, except that takes a long time, and in the meantime electricity usage fluctuates with spikes and continued growth. That’s without counting other possible issues, like dropped outputs due to weather (hurricanes, lightning strikes, winter in a northern latitude, etc). Tell me, how do we build enough energy production to cover usage when both lines go up? And what about while water creation plants are constructed?

Ideally, we end up in the situation you describe, yes, but even then we would need back up storage because things can and do go wrong, and output won’t always be consistent and neither will use. And then there’s the whole issue with using solar at night.

Play something like Factorio or Satisfactory with certain mods, and you’ll get a small idea of how difficult it is to keep load balance even with machines running to use extra energy.

I agree it’s complicated, if you make it so.

In terms of scale, direct kills are a rounding error compared to the damage of climate change.

In terms of indirect kills, like accidents, coal still beats hydropower by a long shot if you include the actual history of coal and steam boats, in part simply from a lack of standards or care in safety (and that’s even if you exclude coal lung as an indirect kill).

While you make perfect the enemy of good, the world will burn, just as those who own the fossil fuels desire.

That’s only a solution for when energy demand won’t spike or increase.

The issue is that currently energy demand does spike and increase.

I’m pretty sure cancers and other health issues have killed way, way more than hydroelectric.

Not including the climate change thing…

I think I read that old joycons will still work with it in wireless mode.

Yup, momentary lapse in memory. Thanks for the correction

Now I’m wondering if I should switch or wait to see if he’s ousted.

On the one hand, and least it’s a Swiss non-profit organization now that’s open sourced on the code.

On the other hand, the CEO support JD Fucking Vance and now none of the data feels secure despite what they say about their tech.

The most charitable interpretation is that he’s pulling an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” move, but considering Proton AG is located in Switzerland, and not the USA, that would be a profoundly stupid move since Big Tech doesn’t have the same influence in Switzerland as it does in the USA.

The crypto shit was already making me wary in the first place too, though knowing Proton’s previous financial difficulties I kinda understood why they might make a paranoid decision to have a crypto back up.

At this rate, I’m really gonna have to host my own server, aren’t I?

I think instead I’ll wait and see if they sack him as CEO. I’ll give them 3 months to respond and decide while I start backing everything up for migration.

Didn’t he also help sponsor/write the Patriot Act? He literally helped out fascists with that one if so. Hard to keep track/memory of all the corruption over there.

Or a kidney transplant 🙃