If someone refuses help then it doesn’t matter, as long as they are kept away from the rest of society. Jail/labor camps would probably make the most sense. If someone doesn’t want help then you can’t help them even if you try

In the existing reality, this method is still preferable to the current status quo as it would be effective still. You aren’t going to stop racism by legalizing drugs but you are going to let many, many innocent people be killed and exploited by junkies and the seller gangs and cartels. Clearly ignoring the problem isn’t working so stepping up the game is the next step.

Oh, everything that doesn’t conform to my world view is just “bait”

This post isn’t talking about medicinal uses. We should aim for medicinal drugs to be acquired through doctors with prescriptions, not bought from a gang at a street corner like marijuana. But no, I guess personal attacks are more fun than thinking

First off, exceptions could be made for it in such cases and secondly, protecting people’s lives are more important

Or…they could just not sell things that kill people. Sorry, I didn’t realize that every AES state is “pro child-enslavement”.

Marijuana is socially unacceptable by many people outside of those in criminal circles and it’s level of acceptability can be counteracted through media and education

If the smell was the only issue I would agree with you but marijuana causes violence and death in a way that those don’t

Because keeping people as offenders makes more money. Jails aren’t designed to help stop crimes. We should be using free treatment centers and education primarily.

Banning alcohol absolutely should be done and has only failed due to half-assed enforcement and lack of social support. We should be supporting addicts with treatment centers and educating on the harms. That is the best way to eliminate it.

That is a problem with the current state. In a future socialist state we can eliminate it without these issues. If a couple people face punishments for selling a drug, I am hardly going to be opposed to that. Marijuana kills many people so they deserve to face just a little bit of the harm that they helped contribute to. Drug tests hardly infringe of people’s bodies. Do you know what does? Hitting someone in a car because a driver was high. Random drug tests are one of the best tools we have to eliminate drug sales. The only other method that would be anywhere near as a effective would be the government undercutting suppliers by selling at a lose and poisoning it but there are many potential ethical issues with that don’t exist with random drug tests. Not to mention that I specifically referred to treatment centers rather than prisons which you conveniently forget about.

It causes slower reaction times. People still attempt to drive/ride a bike even with alcohol so they will likely do so with marijuana. There is substantial evidence tying its usage to violence and mental illness. That is reason enough to oppose it

I am not using the law as a justification but rather saying that something already being socially unacceptable for the majority of people and already being illegal is easier to counteract than something that these is no base for its elimination already. It is easier to oppose something already illegal than saying we should eliminate something from scratch even if I agree with you that it ought to be eliminated long term. Smoking and alcohol do not serve the same purpose as cooking and are unnecessary and easily replaceable.

Indoor cooking is a nearly universal concept that there is not an easy replacement for in the majority of cases. Eliminating marijuana is much more achievable.

Drug war in the United States focused on the end consumer and was often more about targeting minorities than the drug. Harsh criminalization for distributors is best while making it nearly impossible to attain and education users (and parents) about the dangers. Combined with random drug tests and free treatment centers we can end drug addiction.

No, I look at the actual evidence that marijuana causes violence in things like domestic abuse (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7525024/) as well as being tied to bipolar disorder and schizophrenia (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7084484), both of which cause violent actions. I think that we should support users in trying to get off it and focus on education rather than criminalization but it is dangerous none-the-less.

When did I say that we should oppose it in that way? I am saying that marijuana is a social ill. And that it ought to be opposed. It should be opposed by going after distributors, education, and social support for users while also aiming to disrupt the social norms that encourage it. Marijuana is and has been illegal and opposed in many AES states as well for example.

When I am on trains or subways there are often other passengers with smoke on their clothes, this is still terrible.

Because I oppose dangerous drugs that kill people?

Can we eliminate misuse? We have to look at it in the real word and the real word shows that misuse would occur like it does with alcohol. Unless misuse could be prevented then marijuana ought to be kept illegal.