This is not my personal opinion, I know Gen Z men who voted for Harris. But the voter demographics really speak for themselves, and maybe now people will look at the radicalization of young men as a serious (but solvable) issue.

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    It seems counter intuitive but I don’t think Gen Z is as good with technology as most people assume they are.

    I think they just believe everything they see on YouTube and TikTok. Those algorithms just feed people what they want to see and don’t challenge anyone.

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        I mean that many people just assume younger generations are better with technology.

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            It’s absolutely a belief and it used to be true. For millennials especially it was true. We grew up with technology around us, but they required effort from the user to make them work. These created a lot of self-learned resourceful technologically literate people.

            Modern technology almost all wants to prevent you from messing with them. They function out of the box and limit your ability to modify them. This has created a lot of people who can’t understand how technology works beyond the user interface. They’re great at using a touch-screen, but they don’t understand what the device is doing beyond that.

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                That’s why I worded it the way I did. There’s still a sentiment that younger people should be better with technology, since they’ve interacted with it their whole life also. Their interaction was much different than ours though.

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            I personally don’t, but it’s a sentiment I hear around me from time to time in the workplace or on TV.

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              That’s been a common and roughly true trope for a long time, but I think we may have hit the point where high technology has been ubiquitous for multiple generations now and it’s probably not quite as true as it once was (that the younger generation is always better with technology than the previous)

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                No he wasn’t using DOS a couple of years ago although he did use Windows. In fact, I don’t know if he ever used DOS. When they did move the drafting system to computer, he was likely using a jnix workstation or special purpose hardware.

                But he learned how to acquire media from the UK that isn’t available in US. He’d search and download torrents, unrar when needed, move to his plex libraries,etc.

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        Who thinks they’re good with technology?

        Millennials, it’s the only thing we’re good at, we suck at everything else…

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              Apparently millennials prefer paper towels over napkins and it’s affecting the napkin industry.

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                “tissues” vs “kitchen rolls” for anyone wondering what a paper towel is compared to a napkin.

                I gotta say, I always found tissues just sub-par for the job. A kitchen roll (towel? sleeve? paper?) you just need to fold it once and it will hold against a storm

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                  I’m not, tho. 😎

                  Have a discussion with me about napkins. This is a social website.

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                    Lol fine

                    Napkins are shit and deserved to die. You need to clean your face, a paper towel is better. You need to clean a general mess, napkins are useless. You need to blow your nose or touch a sensitive orifice or mucous membrane, Kleenex is your boi… Napkins were a dumb waste of additional manufacturing lines and supply chains.

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                    Lol apparently so did millenials ;)

                    It’s a different grade of paper, usually flat and without the ridges that make paper towels absorbant (or at least the “look I’m absorbant” marketing signifier). Very very cheap napkins and paper towels are mostly indistinguishable.

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                    Paper towels are (traditionally) rolled on a cardboard tube and meant to clean up larger messes.

                    Napkins are meant to adorn a table and clean one’s face while eating.

                    A paper towel is a napkin but a napkin is not a paper towel.

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      Yep. Older people (Millennial, Gen X) grew up with PCs that could be heavily modified, run any program, even repurposed to run Linux if you were brave. Later generations who grew up with phones only get to use the apps that Apple / Google approve of. There’s no hacking the system, so you get whatever the algorithm says you get.

      Older people grew up on BBSes and later “Bulletin Boards”, which were mostly the same thing just with prettier graphics, also with email, and sometimes instant messengers. Communities were smaller, and there was no mediator. Younger ones are stuck in apps that are designed around engagement, with a “celebrity” vs “fan” content model where it’s all geared around followers and likes. It’s all parasocial relationships from the “fan” side, and trying to keep up with whatever the algorithm wants from the creator side.

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          The only reason Facebook was at all successful is that they made it easy to migrate over from MySpace.

          Before Facebook people weren’t locked into their social networks. In the early days of BBSes you were mostly on your local BBS, but you could sometimes communicate with another BBS if your BBS was part of FidoNet. When instant messengers like ICQ, AIM, MSN Messenger, etc. became popular, it was common to use a unified program that logged into all of them at once. But, already there was corporate consolidation. BBSes were often run by people out of their own homes, or at least by hobbyists. The early messengers were all commercial products.

          Then there were the early social media websites: SixDegrees.com, Classmates.com, Friendster, (LinkedIn), MySpace, Orkut, and in 2004 Facebook. At first Facebook was closed to anybody who wasn’t a US university student. You even had to have an email address from a US university to register. But, when they wanted to grow, they made it easy to migrate from other sites, especially MySpace. They released a tool that allowed you to basically stay in touch with your MySpace friends from Facebook, but not the other way around. That slowly drained people away from MySpace until it eventually collapsed. These days, thanks to section 1201 of the DMCA, if you tried to release a tool that allowed people to migrate away from Facebook, you’d be nuked from orbit.

          Now, every social media site is a walled garden protected by a moat and an electric fence. Every one is owned by companies worth more than $1b. People can’t leave because the FOMO is too strong, but they don’t want to stay because the sites are pure shit. You see that especially with Twitter. It is absolute shit since Musk took over, but many people feel like they can’t leave. And, when people do leave, do they go to Mastodon, which isn’t owned by a corporation? Nope, they mostly go to Threads, owned by Meta, or Bluesky, owned by a lot of the same people behind Twitter.

          Unless the governments of the world step in and either break up the tech giants, or require that they are interoperable, I don’t know how we back out of this shitty situation.

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              We both know the government is never going to split them up

              The American government isn’t going to. But, I do hold out hope for the EU. The EU already doesn’t like the US tech giants, and they’re much more driven by lobbying by European-based businesses, almost none of them on good terms with the US tech giants.

              We’ve already seen what effect the GDPR had on the web, and it affects Americans even if the law doesn’t apply in the US. We’ve seen how Apple has had to design all its devices to use USB-C because of new EU rules. I think it’s pretty reasonable to expect that the EU might require Mastodon-type rules for social networks, that you can leave to an instance that communicates with your old one, and that your followers and followees change when you move. Facebook would hate it, but Google (whose social network efforts all failed) wouldn’t really be affected, so they might push for it just to spite Facebook. Some of the other big American tech companies might actually like it. Like, Netflix might like to be able to graft a social network onto their video watching platform so that people could watch and talk about videos together.

              With the Biden administration going out and Trump going in, I think the FTC is going to go back to being a corporate cheerleader, but I still have some hope for the EU.

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        This made me actually laugh out loud. I’m calling gen z that from now on

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      My son is in his early 30s and hardly a day goes by that I don’t have to help him with a software issue.

      I don’t know if he’ll even be able to keep the media server running when I die. Probably won’t be for about 20 years so we’ll see.

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        I’m in my mid 30s and I know a lot of people my age who are like that too. They just aren’t curious about how things function. That’s okay, though. They have other talents that I don’t have.