These Republicans are literally evil and it baffles me and fills me with despair that people just don’t see it. They want to fuck and marry children, and send them to work in the mines, on school nights. They dismantle environmental protections and human rights with glee. They want to privatise everything and make everyone beholden to billionaires that make more in an hour than others will in a lifetime. They force brain dead mothers to incubate babies and healthy mothers to incubate brain dead babies.
They are undeniably evil fucking scum. But they’ve got everyone convinced that the drag queen reading children’s books in a public library is the thing destroying society. And to me, the worst part of all is that none of these things are a secret. They don’t campaign for child marriage in secret, they don’t force women to go through absolute horror behind closed doors. This is all openly done and known. So what does that say about the many many people that act like they’re their saviours?
This is why I cannot re-watch childhood cartoons of mine. The villains there are ironically less evil than these people and people don’t support them in universe…
They don’t campaign for child marriage in secret,
Wait, who is actively campaigning for child marriage? I mean, “child marriage” is already legal in a bunch of states (as in a large majority of them) so long as you understand we’re generally talking about 16 or 17 year olds marrying with consent of their parents, a court or both (depending on the state). The term tends to evoke imagery of kids much younger than that, which is why I’m clarifying. Why would they need to campaign for something that’s already legal in most of the country?
It does seem weird to blame Republicans for this one though, since the states with the broadest child marriage laws have been solidly blue states (Massachusetts eliminated under-18 marriage entirely in 2022, but prior to that had no hard minimum age of marriage with parental and judicial consent, and California still to date has no hard minimum marriage age but requires judicial consent for under-18s). I don’t think anyone is going to claim that California is a state controlled by Republicans.
It’s not like for example fucking animals where it’s only legal in one state, and that one state is a red state. Specifically: Fucking animals isn’t illegal in WV because WV repealed their “crimes against nature”-style law in 1976 for LGBT related reasons (and it wasn’t really enforced much anyways, 4 prosecutions in 46 years on the books, 3 of those overturned on appeal), and WV has just never passed a replacement ban on fucking animals. It typically gets proposed in the legislature every year, and typically never goes any farther than being proposed because the legislature usually has more important things to do than pass an embarrassing bill to legislate against a vanishingly small number of perverts who on the whole aren’t really hurting anyone (and if they were could be prosecuted under regular animal abuse laws).
The idea that a god, with their infinite wisdom, would be upset about you “killing” a “baby” inside of an essentially dead woman to spare the child from having severe birth defects and to actually allow the family to move on and mourn is… Wow. Something else. But hey, that’s Christianity I guess.
Remember that every Republican voted for this. Every single one voted to have this women go through a horrible experience and live with the medically treatable consequences. Republicans voted for that pain, suffering, and fucking horrific fall out. Republicans voted for this.
Honestly, this is a perfect reductio ad absurdum why executive order power should not be given to one person (and their admin) for a country of 400 million…
This case really isn’t. This is due to terrible Georgia state law, not a Trump EO. Every Republican in Georgia voted for precisely this to happen. Trump had no say.
Two women have died in Georgia since the Dobbs decision.
At least. These are just the stories that made the news.
Notice these are women of color. Black women in the US are 3.5 times more likely to die in childbirth. Part of it is having symptoms dismissed - Adriana Smith’s headaches were ignored until it was too late.
It has never been about the sanctity of life. It has always been a tool to control women.
If this weren’t the work of religious people i would say y’all need more god in your life
Who’s taking care of this thing after it’s born?
Nobody. It’s got a lot of fluid on the brain, and probably some other fucked up shit. I’d be surprised if the baby makes it more than a few weeks.
“At least it’s another soul in heaven!”
We need to get the religious cavemen out of healthcare.
Hopefully the mother since anything else would be woke, socialism, DEI or whatever the fuck is the monthly buzzword for letting poor “useless eaters” (sound familiar?) die
The braindead mother?
But she’s dead
Oh, and the family is forced to pay the medical bills, even though they asked to let her die peacefully.
If I have a bill that big, it’s the hospital’s problem not my problem.
Until you want to buy a car or a house…
Lucky for her, this woman probably won’t be doing either of those things.
House ain’t never happening. You got me on the car though.
I’ll just keep buying second hand cars. My current car is 20 years old, bought it when it was 10 years old and it’s still going. Put away $20 a week or whatever you would have been paying on the loan and you’ll always have a fund to get something. Treat it like a loan too, you can’t pull money out of the loan you’ve been paying, so don’t touch this money either unless for the most dire of emergencies.
This is the way to do it. It’s just not worth the financial struggle if you’re the kind who would be impacted by a new car.
It also means it’s much easier to afford to replace the vehicle if it’s becoming a money pit, and you don’t sweat a small scratch.
And good for the environment!
medical bills aren’t forced on the family that I’ve ever heard. they may try, but until you fuck up and say it is your responsibility by paying even a Tylenol bill, its not. my dad had over 6million twenty years ago lawyers are helpful.
If the daughter is older enough, sounds like it’s her/her estates debt. Not her parents, unless they were unfortunate enough to be manipulatrd into assuming responsibily.
the entire news cycle of the country is just a wild series of this exact meme back to back to back
If the mother dies, who goes to jail for murder of the fetus/unborn?
Probably the doctor
Providing care for a patient was his first mistake.
For a woman patient especially
I believe the unborn baby is sick and have no chance of surviving.
When you force someone’s life to end, that’s homicide. There should be a name (and a punishment) for forcing someone’s life to continue.
“Torture”
The woman is braindead, which is legally dead in most jurisdictions. Her body is being kept breathing by machines but legally she’s dead.
Be very careful with this. Suicidal people want their life to end and doctors have to ignore the patient’s wishes and pump out the overdose. They do not deserve prosecution.
I agree, it is a very complex situation and I believe there isn’t enough thought given to how suicidal folk are treated. I would have those who are suffering have more freedom of choice than they do now, especially when it comes to a life-altering event. I think not everyone who receives treatment benefits from it, even after several years.
Fuck that, who gives anyone the right to force me to be alive? Fuck anyone who believes they get to have a say on if I choose to continue or not. You are just as bad as the pro lifers
Sure, but we should also allow assisted suicide done professionally. My body my choice.
Especially given that most (roughly 80% https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0163834323000130) do not make a repeat attempt.
Such a law would need extremely careful wording
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Any MD here? If the mother is in a coma without ever coming back, does this in any form affect the pregnancy, when the mother’s organism is just kept running?
She’s not in a coma, she’s brain dead. You can get out of a coma, but brain death is when brain function irreversibly stops. The rest of the body is being kept alive by machines but the brain is dead and can’t be revived. In most jurisdictions, this woman is legally dead. As for the pregnancy, I have read other articles that mention the baby will be severely impacted due to this, with several birth defects.
One of the articles I read yesterday mentioned that it’s quite likely the fetus will have health complications, possibly incredibly severe ones, but the doctor they interviewed didn’t make strong direct claims.
So the answer to your question is yes, it does affect the pregnancy, most likely somehow. This news came out fairly recently, so perhaps we will get some more expert opinions over the next week or so.
Not a doctor but I can still guarantee you it’s gonna fuck up that kid. Even assuming they’re perfectly healthy, the mental impacts of learning you were born from basically a corpse will do wonders
So, kill the kid, then?
Just because she’s a daughter doesn’t mean she’s a child, but yes when someone is braindead then pulling the plug is often the best choice
The kid I’m talking about is the one in the womb. Pull the plug on its mother and it has 0 chance. There are 2 lives at stake, not just 1.
The parents want her off life support. The fetus is a fetus. This directive is monstrous and you’re a monster for supporting it.
Problem is she was found brain dead in first trimester. That doesn’t make for good chances for the fetus.
If it was third trimester, then ok I can see it, but this is going to be even more tragic trying to make the fetus live.
“She’s pregnant with my grandson. But he may be blind, may not be able to walk, may not survive once he’s born,” Newkirk said.
You want to let a blind, crippled, orphaned fetus grow into a kid just so it can die after its brain is more developed?
The suffering is the point.
She was 9 week pregnant when she died. This is the “kid” at that point: https://images.app.goo.gl/km8W6kjFyxhKcBkB6
If you meant the fetus why didn’t you just say so?
Also, not sure i would consider being braindead and kept “alive” by machines much of a life
When my Mom was in a coma, they asked me as the oldest child to make that decision. I based it on not only my wishes for myself, but per her directive.
However if it was my own child, I would probably make the same decision. Parents make thousands of decisions on behalf of their children. This one, however horrible, would be another one of them. I would support my wife in aborting the (already dead) child, rather than further risk the life of my wife. It’s the only and best choice, however tragic.
It’s already deadI mis-read the title.
If that were true, then the mother wouldn’t be kept on life support. Contrary to popular opinion, abortion is not the simple removal of a fetus, it’s killing the fetus. If the fetus is dead, it can be removed or delivered without an abortion. The articles written on this subject don’t include those level of detail. But. Suffice it to say, any doctor worth his salt could tell the difference.
This narrative that abortion bans have all the doctors scared and it ties their hands from doing anything involving a pregnant mother is false. But, that doesn’t make for a meme that gets internet points.
This narrative that abortion bans have all the doctors scared and it ties their hands from doing anything involving a pregnant mother is false.
Tell that to the women who have been left without proper care and the doctors that have fled the christian-nationalist states passing these laws. Get your right-wing nonsense out of here.
It does tie their hands though. They can’t practice modern medicine because the abortion laws aren’t written by educated medical professionals. It also puts their license, job, and entire life in jeopardy if after review they are found to have violated it. These laws are trying to make gray areas like this black and white. This mother died. Unfortunately that means the fetus does as well in the real world. Just because we can keep the mother on life support doesn’t mean we should. This fetus has a low chance of survival. She was 9 weeks pregnant. Abortion is any removal of a fetus regardless of living or dead. An ectopic pregnancy where the fetus will never live will be treated with an abortion. Otherwise the fallopian tube ruptured and the woman dies of internal bleeding painfully.
If that were true, then the mother wouldn’t be kept on life support.
I mis-read the title, ignore my previous comment.
This narrative that abortion bans have all the doctors scared and it ties their hands from doing anything involving a pregnant mother is false.
It isn’t.
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