(this is a sarcastic post meant to highlight the absurdity of some of the “greater good” rhetoric we’ve been hearing, especially around leaving vulnerable populations like disabled people behind in case of revolution, basically accelerationism)

  • FundMECFS@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
    185·
    8 days ago

    Couple examples of elections preventing facism:

    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_legislative_election,_1974 – Marked the end of military junta and blocked far-right resurgence
    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_election,_2002 – Voters united to block Jean-Marie Le Pen, far-right candidate, in second round
    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_presidential_election,_2016 – Voters narrowly rejected far-right FPÖ candidate Norbert Hofer
    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_general_election,_2022 – Lula defeated Jair Bolsonaro, preventing further slide into authoritarianism
    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2023 – Opposition coalition defeated Law and Justice party, halting authoritarian drift

    Theoretically, anytime a facist runs and loses an election and doesn’t subsequently stage a coup into power, voting prevents facism.

    • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      68·
      8 days ago

      why did the system let them run in the first place? this leads back to my original point, electoralism and liberalism are inherently dangerous and normalize fascism by allowing people to vote them into power just like they did for Hitler.

      it makes as much sense as “the marketplace of ideas”. we don’t debate or “vote out” fascists, we use force

      • erin (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        33·
        8 days ago

        Who decides what ideas are and aren’t okay? Who decides which ideas are bad enough to use force against? What’s to stop those in charge of making those decisions from being compromised, or plants, or changing their minds, or having morals counter to the morals of their society, seeing as the voting clearly cannot be trusted. All it takes is fascism and conservatism to quietly seep into government and now we’ve created the perfect framework for them to shift the targets to those they oppose.

        This week, trans people have been declared anti-party. Next week it’s disabled people. Tune in the week after for nationalism.

        This is like building a big gun to protect ourselves from fascists but not putting any checks to make sure it’s wielded in the best interests of the people.

          • erin (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            11·
            8 days ago

            That’s a fair point, but the question still stands. In a stateless society, who decides when violence is appropriate and which ideas deserve violence? What differentiates such individuals from the state, seeing as they are acting in lieu of one, enforcing certain ideals and rules via violence? My questions still stand.