• SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today
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    6 hours ago

    Broadcom released a free VMware again, Synology is locking down their products,… Did Synology just hire some brain dead Broadcom executive?

    This is seriously ‘how to kill your brand and customer good will in one easy step’ type nonsense.
    Synology does not have the respect in Enterprise that someone like Dell or HPE does. They exist in Enterprise because of admins who use it at home and then bring the knowledge to work.

    All this does is make sure nobody will buy one for the home anymore. There are too many other good options. And various open source NAS OS choices becoming more mature by the day.

    If I was an OEM like Beelink or Servermicro I would be rushing to make an unbranded storage box, five or six 3.5 in SATA hot swap bays in front, 2-4 NVMe ports on the bottom, decent low power CPU, and an SODIMM socket or two. They’d sell a ton of them.

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if a Synology ‘jailbreak’ to load a third party OS comes out.

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    I have an Asustor that is running Debian. It’s just a PC in a NAS enclosure so why should it not.

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    I switched from a HP MicroServer with TrueNAS (the BSD one) to a Synology 8-bay system because of convenience, mostly (DIY 8-bay with hot swap, low idle power and all seems hard to come by).

    Hopefully it’ll last for years to come but if I ever need to replace/upgrade it it’s not gonna be another Synology with this type of extreme vendor lock-in.

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    Even if the drive prices are not raised to unreasonable levels, if ever Synology decides to stop selling these drives the NAS you have purchased will become useless. Think I’ll pass.

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      It doesn’t become useless, it just misses out on a bunch of useful features for the drives.

      Still ridiculous, of course

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      Yup, been using that from the start, since none of the 20TB drives were “verified” when I bought them.

      It’s a bit annoying that you have to do that, but ultimately a non-issue.

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        A non-issue??? That is absolutely an issue, because 90% of consumers won’t know about this fix. It’s outrageous that a consumer facing brand introduces such arbitrary vendor lock-ins, especially without reason. It’s just like HP with their ink lock. An absolute dick move and should not be supported in the slightest.

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          Yep. It’s not like unverified drives won’t work, they’ll just show an orange warning symbol and disable some minor features.

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    8 hours ago

    That is sad to see. I’ve moved on to Raspberry Pi + hard disk enclosure (with incredible performance) but it’s still upsetting to see Synology go this route.

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      One point: if it matters to you, you might want to confirm your enclosure’s behavior under power-loss conditions. I had one that did not come back to a powered on state or have an option to do so when power was restored. Not something I’d thought of, since I’d assumed this behavior. Eventually, after some looking, found an enclosure with a mechanical-toggle power switch that did restore prior state.

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    8 hours ago

    I bought a Terramaster instead. Better hardware specs for the money and you can overwrite the OS with Linux which is way better than any stock OS.

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      This is what I’ll replace my DS415+ with, too, once it dies. The TerraMasters are basically bog-standard Intel NUCs with a storage adapter. And there’s HDMI output and an internal USB drive which you can just replace (or overwrite) and install OMV or TrueNAS or whatever.

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      I have one, but I feel pretty burned by them since the model I bought was immediately outdated because the next hardware version after mine was a new cpu arcitechure, and the new software updates don’t support the old architecture. I think they moved from arm to x86 or something like that. So I’m stuck with old software that’s no longer supported, only a year or two after I bought the up to date model.

      And, yeah, as the other commenter noted, it does feel quite like you’re using knock-off software. Remoting into it doesn’t really fill me with confidence. Maybe it’s fine but it just looks/feels like the cheap and shitty version of something more reputable. And it’s not even running a proper version of linux that I could customise - it’s a stripped down version of arch that I can’t install anything on unless it’s on their official app store, which doens’t even work half the time, and when I do install the official version of plex/etc the cpu is so wimpy that it can’t even direct stream untranscoded video directly off the disk. My raspberrypi 5 is literally 10x (!!) faster than it in cpu benchmarks. You’re probably right that I could probably overwrite the os with something better, but then what’s the point in buying an expensive NAS when you could just buy a pi with much more power, community support, packages, etc, plus a dumb external enclosure for half the cost? Maybe the more recent ones with the updated cpu architecture are more powerful and have better apps, idk, but now I just use it as a dumb hard drive enclosure and do any smarts, such as plex or scripts I need to run, on my pi anyway.

      So, I’m considering just moving all my NAS/plex data to an external drive attached to my pi.

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        but then what’s the point in buying an expensive NAS when you could just buy a pi with much more power, community support, packages, etc,

        Exactly, what’s the point?

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        Mine has an internal USB so you can open it up pretty easily and install any version of Linux you prefer. Not sure what model you bought, but I would assume you can too.

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          Mine is the F4-210.

          I probably could, but frankly it’s not worth the effort when my pi is already set up the way I like, and is more powerful. I don’t see the advantage of trying to hack the nas into shape when its hardware is atrocious anyway.

          It has 1GB of non-upgradeable ram and the CPU scores 131 on geekbench: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/20874021

          My pi has 8GB of ram and scores 1018 on geekbench, and cost half as much (~£90-100 vs £189.99). https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/11626981 (so 7.7x, not quite 10x, but still an insane gap)

          What do you find is the advantage of the nas if it’s outperformed by the cheaper pi?

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        Sketch? Nah bro, that is exactly the kind of “This looked sick in the early 2000s and we haven’t bothered updating it since” level of design that I want to see from a hardware vendor. That’s a company that’s just sitting there quietly trucking along, making nerdy devices for nerdy people. That’s a website that was never intended to be viewed by anyone other than a 30+ year old sysadmin who owns at least one beard grooming product.